Is Gi2c China Internship Program A Legal Scam Or Legit?

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The below report is a follow-up to our preliminary report dated April/2015. Be advised that we have been retained by a former Gi2C employee and a former client to investigate this company from A-Z They have not authorized us to make full disclosure as they are contemplating a legal action at this time. However the information provided herein is solid and well-documented enough for us to issue a Red Flag Scam Alert which will be issued to 600+ student unions and limited distribution to selected ESL and Work Abroad message boards.

We will try to be brief and you are welcome  and invited to draw your own conclusions; Gi2C.org is NOT a foundation, charity, NGO, nor NPO. It is a for-profit commercial enterprise owned and operated by a citizen of Belarus named Yuri Khlystov, who also owned and operated the predecessor company called “GetIn2China” which was registered in 2009 in Beijing and originally were “visa consultants” according to the license issued to GetIn2China. Gi2c.org does not appear to be licensed with the SAIC nor the Beijing Provincial Tax Bureau, nor the Beijing Municipal Tax Bureau as of April 5th, 2015.  Although Gi2C claims to have 51-200 employees on their website, long-time employees there indicate they never had more than 30 employees at any one time. Today the company operates out of two locations in China. The HQ office is in unit 50927 of the Galaxy Soho building in the D2 Tower located next to the Chaoyangmen Subway station – Exit G. A photo of the famous office building is below.  There other location is a small office/apartment located in Shanghai.  Two employees work in the Shanghai office and at present 10 work in the Beijing office following a massive resignation of 16 employees over the last 15 months. Gi2c has made claims of having “8 Offices World-Wide” as per their many ads and former website which a have been recently edited between March 1st and April 25th. The below screen shots confirm their false claims:

Prospects were falsely told that Gi2C operates 8 world-wide offices when in reality they only have two.

Prospects were falsely told that Gi2C operates 8 world-wide offices when in reality they only have two.

Gi2c management has claimed over the last 21-24 months that they have placed “400” and “1,100” interns with Fortune 500 Companies and MNC companies through their “vast network” of MNC corporate partners. In reality however they are unable to even provide a list of 5 such companies nor even 5 interns that have supposedly been placed. The same applies to their claims of having internships available with “Famous Wall Street Companies” and having “50 top university partners” See the below screenshots from their previous ads, and their own website…

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Below are the ten top rated China Internships. We contacted all ten of these companies and spoke with an HR staffer to see how many interns were placed with them through Gi2C and if they were satisfied with the interns.  Without exception, all ten companies indicated that they never heard of Gi2C and never had any business relationship with them. Considering all else they have lied about, we were not surprised.

We discovered that Gi2c sub-contracted a boiler room  telemarketing operation located in Pakistan in 2013 and callers there would solicit students in the UK falsely claiming to be calling from Gi2C’s “London Office” which does not exist. Those calls reported being told they had a 50% chance of getting full time jobs with MNC and Fortune 500 companies in China if they purchased the Gi2c internship package. See the summaries of he complaints about two such callers who fabricated the names of “Barbara Wilson” and “Haley Gilbert” below:

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Also see http://www.scambook.com/report/view/283185/Hayley-Gilbert-Hayleyrecsmartcouk-Getin2Chinacom-Complaint-283185-for-$0.00 Complaints form actual clients range from “refundable deposits” not being returned to misrepresentations, to being instructed and coached how to lie to Chinese visa officials, which is a felont crime in both China and most western countries.  Actual complaints can be read at the below links…

http://eslwatch.info/forum/china/117-fraud-warning-gi2c-and-other-china-job-internship-scams-beware-people.html

http://www.realscam.com/f8/warning-gi2c-china-internship-just-another-china-job-scam-but-pricey-3928/#post83885

http://scam-detector.com/forums/forum/employment-scams/366-gi2c-org-and-other-china-internship-scams-exposed-by-former-u-k-employee

Although Gi2C conducts all of its business on mainland China, customers are told to send their money to an HSBC bank account in Hong Kong where Gi2c does not have an office nor any corporate sponsors. This may be a way to evade taxes and/or asset seizures in the event of legal proceedings and a court ordered judgment  for monetary damages is obtained.

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A handful of former employees also confirmed that they were not paid all of their wages when they resigned and one married Chinese employee took the company before the Beijing Labor Board and prevailed in her claim in 2014. Other employees reported that they were instructed to forge invitation letters using photoshop software and fabricate “over 100 fake internship vacancies for the website”.  One former manager said he was told to bribe newspaper reports in Beijing to obtain a favorable article in the local news. Said manager also confirmed that interns were bribed to give testimonials with discounts, gifts, and cash, and also confirmed that the owner himself would delete negative comments from their Facebook and blog page on a daily basis. Others also confirm that two shills were used by Gi2C in the past as references, and that most of the reviews seen on line are bought and paid for with only one exception. They also confirm that one Chinese employee known only as Tommy (pictured below) was arrested in the Galaxy Soho office less that two weeks after it opened by 5 members of China’s Public Security Bureau for “Visa Fraud”.

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We also noted that Gi2c had claimed they had “partnerships” with “500 top universities”. But we can find no supporting evidence of this claim, and when users at thebeijinger .com asked their management to name some of those universities, there was three weeks of silence. Other at ESLwatch.info asked Gi2c management to explain this below photo posted on their web site implying they had some business relationship with this famous university. Again there was no response.

Our investigation also revealed that a hacker has been hired by Gi2C management to remove approximately 3 dozen negative or unfavorable comments about the company found on line like this one below with 16 other examples found at this link: http://eslwatch.info/forum/china/117-fraud-warning-gi2c-and-other-china-job-internship-scams-beware-people.html

Also see http://gi2ccomplaints.blogspot.com/2015/04/gi2c-is-best-damn-china-china.html We are now waiting for the authorities to find and interview the hacker to obtain more information. This tactic of censoring the Internet is common amongst scammers and has been used heavily in China for almost a decade. If you Google “China Internship Scams” you find many broken links, where complaints used to be posted.  Another way Chinese scam artists get negative comments removed is to buy advertisement on expat websites that have forums where clients and employees can, and do complain – a lot. The beijinger for example had three different thread about Gi2C but the two negative ones were deleted after Gi2C purchased some banner ads from the TBJ. See: http://scam.com/showthread.php?t=644914

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On or about March 17th,2015 the Gi2c management posted a letter at several websites claiming that their bad reputation online and all the complaints about them were due to “one of our competitors”.  But more than a month later they are now blaming a disgruntled employee named “Bruce” that reigned more than a year ago along with the company’s former web designer/webmaster Steve B****. We suspect their first explanation was not working with their new prospects.

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To be fair however, the only law Gi2C may be breaking is tax evasion, since there is no Chinese law that says free internships cannot be sold for money. Therefore, we are not in a position to label  Gi2C as a scam, but it certainly has unethical sales practices and policies. In any western country, Gi2C would probably be prosecuted for fraud, but China is just now developing the concept of “Consumer Protection” in the professional services business markets. This is all we can disclose at this time due to the restrictions placed upon us by our two clients. We may be able to update this report at a later date, if our clients so authorize.

If you are interested in obtaining a China Internship for free, you may want to visit http://chinainternshipreviews.wordpress.com. As always we urge you to conduct your own due diligence before making any  final decisions related to Gi2C or any other company doing business in China.

Below is the first and last page of the Gi2c or Getin2China printed brochure. Their hacker cannot delete it and Yuri can’t edit like he does every time to his web site when we caught him in a lie. The below is proof positive the company markets itself with lies…

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They have hired both a full time hacker and an SEO person to spam self-created reviews and testimonials like the one below and others at glassdoor.com, while their hacker is busy removing over 40 complaints during the last six months as you can see here:  http://scam-detector.com/forums/forum/employment-scams/1002-gi2c-china-internship-scam-now-using-hackers-to-delete-negative-comments

We were also to interview 3 former employees of Gi2c and all three claim they were cheated at least once on their wages and another former employee named “Tracy” confirmed that she filed a formal complaint against Gi2C with the Beijing Labor Board and won her case.

Said employees all insisted they never placed ANY intern with ANY Fortune 500 or MNC company during their term of employment which spanned a 3 year period. This contradicts former Gi2C advertisements and their website as it appeared in 2013-2014 when they falsely claimed to have “A vast network of MNC corporate sponsors” where “Over 400 interns were placed with MNC companies”.  See screen shots above. We also obtained these photos from inside the GI2C Beijing Office from one of the former employees:

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Gi2C Owners Yuri Khlystove & Ben Tsao

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All but four people in this photograph resigned after senior employee “Tommy” was arrested in a PSB raid on the office. The foreigners seen here were the first out the door. For the sake of their privacy we will not publish their names here.

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In this last photo above, the girl circled in yellow is Abbie who was cheated 6,000 on her last paycheck, and the fellow in Red is the famous “Tommy” who was arrested for visa fraud a few days after this photo was taken.

These former employees also confirmed the claims made by victim Winnie Maliko and others that Gi2c customers were instructed and coached to commit felony crimes, to wit – to lie on their visa applications and “never mention that you are coming to China to work as an intern”  http://www.scam.com/showthread.php?654895-China-Foreign-Internships-Scams-Make-You-A-Felon!

The same employees also confirmed that photoshop software was used by some employees who were instructed to fabricate or falsify invitation letters for their customers. They further admitted that many testimonials and reviews were either obtained with bribes or simply fabricated as per http://scam-detector.com/forums/forum/employment-scams/1002-gi2c-china-internship-scam-now-using-hackers-to-delete-negative-comments?p=1017#post1017

How many people really work for Gi2C?  Not the “51-200” claimed by Gi2c on their web site.  At their peak, they had 27 employees not including the Pakistanis. At present we think this dated photo below is probably more realistic:

We have also learned that Gi2C has discontinued using the boiler room in Pakistan recently and we hereby confirm that “Haley Gilbert”, Barbara Wilson”, and “Dwight Stevens” were all Pakistani sales reps working on behalf of Gi2C from 2013 to late 2014 and all falsely claiming to be calling from “Gi2c’s London Office”. The above three names were all fabricated.

We noted that Gi2C was not defended online by any of their “many satisfied customers” but rather “anonymous” employees and the people they buy advertising from “TheBeijinger.com” and the owner of a Chinese School owned by a fellow named Roddy who personally gets free labor from Gi2C via many interns over the years. It was also Roddy who supported Getin2China when they were buried in complaints back in 2010. See the below about TheBeijinger.com…

http://www.scam.com/showthread.php?681817-The-Beijinger-Censorship-Scam-Is-Growing-Totally-Unethical

http://www.scam.com/showthread.php?644952-Are-Michael-Wester-amp-Steve-Schwankert-of-The-Beijinger-Great-Scam-Artists-Or-Criminals

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We also consulted with three Immigration attorneys who confirmed that the Gi2C internship program is not in compliance with Chinese laws. Foreigners who participate in their program may be arrested, fined, jailed, and deported as illegal immigrant workers as per these two links: http://antifraudintl.org/threads/beware-of-china-internship-visa-scams.96692/#post-265311 and also http://www.balglobal.com/News/NewsDetail/tabid/266/id/3105/language/en-US/CHINA–China-Eliminates-Internship-and-Training-Visas-for-Most-Foreign-Students.aspx There are in fact legal China internships available with international companies at no charge (air fare excepted) but they require a special certification letter from the PSB to be submitted when you apply for your Chinese entry visa. For more information about the free and legitimate China internships, see:

http://chinainternshipreviews.wordpress.com

http://freechinainternships.blogspot.co.uk

Last but not least, we obtained the below business cards that further prove Gi2C sales people were misrepresenting that they had international offices all around the world:

We have closed our investigation on Gi2c.org aka Getin2China with Red Flag Warning to all concerned.

Our Recommendation:  AVOID

Here is yet more Gi2c Deception that is self explanatory:

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45145Below is proof that owner Yuri lied about “never promoting jobs – only internships”. The blow is taken from Gi2c’s web site in 2013 and also some ads they ran at Milk Round and Just Landed:

screen-shot-2014-01-01-at-10-53-20-pmJust remember, Gi2C sales people will only tell you what they want you to know – especially about visas and the true total cost of your stay in China, which for 90 days will average about $7,000 by the time you leave.  If you get arrested for the wrong visa you can add $5,000 more to this cost to cover a $2,000 fine and $3,000 lawyer fee.

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For more current information and updates about Gi2C you may want to check with these web sites from time to time:

http://www.scamorg.com/gi2c-org-38#commentit

http://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/showthread.php?p=60281143&highlight=gi2c

http://www.realscam.com/f8/fake-phantom-felon-employees-gi2cs-china-internship-scam-6-invisible-offices-4057/

http://eslwatch.info/Forum/China

http://ChinaScamWatch.org

http://eslwatch.info/forum/china/167-update-on-the-gi2c-china-internship-scam-investigation.html

http://www.realscam.com/f8/warning-gi2c-china-internship-just-another-china-job-scam-but-pricey-3928/

http://scam-detector.com/forums/forum/employment-scams/960-gi2c-china-internship-scam-exposed-by-former-uk-employee-reposted

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3 thoughts on “Is Gi2c China Internship Program A Legal Scam Or Legit?

  1. Hi all my name is Winnie, I have shared my story with GI2C on numerous forums but GI2C has either managed to hire hackers to have the links deleted or corrupted the forum owners who locked the topic or deleted the whole threads. I was told this forum is one of the few that still can share the truth about GI2C, so here i am again sharing my story.

    Below is the updated comment i made on the gooverseas website after GI2C leaned on me so that i would update some of the most embarassing things for them. However, as i was browsing on the beijinger i came accross a heated debate between gi2C and forum members and i decided to share my two cents and immediatly after that not only did yuri denied admiting some of GI2C’s mistake but he also started calling me and everyone else liars, not to mention the mods who blocked my email and prevented me to ever reply to GI2Cs lies. Right after my public testimony with solid proofs to expose GI2C many came forward and shared their bad experience with GI2C on the eslwatch website and as the pressure kept on increasing GI2C contacted me through a Lucy who was trying to make me say that my ID was stolen so that GI2C could get away with denying everything. I have attached all my proofs to this post and i hope that potential customers will be informed of what GI2C really is! A LEGAL SCAM! Also beware of the gooverseas website, they are NOT TO BE TRUSTED. As soon as i shared my story on the beijinger yuri updated his reply to my gooverseas review and flooded the page with fake reviews when i asked the gooverseas website mods if i could update my review again she told me i could not, while she allowed yuri to update his comment three times. Please find all my proofs on the following website:
    http://scam-detector.com/forums/forum/employment-scams/366-gi2c-org-and-other-china-internship-scams-exposed-by-former-u-k-employee?_=1430068436115

    1. Visa:
    They will tell you to get a visa m which is impossible unless your boss in your country of residence is nice enough to give you a letter attesting he is sending you abroad to attend a marketing course which is illegal the way!!!! So you would probably have to come under a different visa.
    2. Accomodation:

    A lot of people think that the accomodation is individual and i did based on the first description the make about accomodation: ” Having your your own accomodation upon arriving means that you can get right down to excelling at your internship in China. During this time, Gi2C can help you find alternative accomodations – based on your budget – for the duration of your time being in Beijing or Shangai.” But if you pay enough attention and go on the next pages you will understand that it is shared. If you want your own flat like i wanted you would have to pay an additional 3000 rmb.

    3 . The placement:

    Gi2c has a very good network with marketing departments of a lot of companies and it makes sense because it is the easiest work to get for a foreigner in china. Most of the time they will come up to you and tell you they have something for you in a finance company in the marketing department and you will end up not doing what you want. I was placed in a company located in a bad area, the building was disgusting and they even gave us individual toilet paper to go to the bathroom.

    4. The support system for accomodation :

    They will send you some internet links but after that you are on your own. I was lucky enough to be helped by a friend’s uncle who helped me find a flat 1000 rmb cheaper than the only flat kris found for me after i complained about the lack of support in regards to the accomodation hunting process.

    5. Complaining and refund:

    I was lucky enough to find a much better internship placement with one of their competitors in a very good company in my field. I will not name their competitor in order not to sound as if i am advertising on their behalf.

    Once i informed Gi2c that i indeed found a much better placement. The first thing kris asked me was to send him the job description of my new internship so that he could look for the closest position possible in order for me not to leave gi2c. Which is a shame because i had been telling them what i wanted since August 2014 and it was already February 2015.

    6. The refund and the consequences:

    So after proving to Gi2c that they indeed did not provide me with the service they promise they would, i was given a refund of 5500 rmb the exact amount i asked to pay their competitorwho found me a much better internship. I thought i had lost my premium package privileges after a meeting with kris but there was a misunderstanding because after meeting again with kris and yuri i was told i could still attend the monthly events and could still ask for any guidance i would need regarding my visa etc.

    7. Conclusion:

    That being said an internship in China is really GREAT experience you just have to be extremly careful about the internship offer and not be shy to reject an offer if you do not fully feel comfortable with it. My experience with Gi2c was not good but they admitted their mistake and i think i could have had a better internship if i had been more careful with the position they offered me.They will tell you to get a visa m which is impossible unless your boss in your country of residence is nice enough to give you a letter attesting he is sending you abroad to attend a marketing course which is illegal by the way!!!! So you would probably have to come under a different visa.

    2. Accomodation:

    A lot of people think that the accomodation is individual and i did based on the first description the make about accomodation: ” Having your your own accomodation upon arriving means that you can get right down to excelling at your internship in China. During this time, Gi2C can help you find alternative accomodations – based on your budget – for the duration of your time being in Beijing or Shangai.” But if you pay enough attention and go on the next pages you will understand that it is shared. If you want your own flat like i wanted you would have to pay an additional 3000 rmb.

    3 . The placement:

    Gi2c has a very good network with marketing departments of a lot of companies and it makes sense because it is the easiest work to get for a foreigner in china. Most of the time they will come up to you and tell you they have something for you in a finance company in the marketing department and you will end up not doing what you want. I was placed in a company located in a bad area, the building was disgusting and they even gave us individual toilet paper to go to the bathroom.

    4. The support system for accomodation :

    They will send you some internet links but after that you are on your own. I was lucky enough to be helped by a friend’s uncle who helped me find a flat 1000 rmb cheaper than the only flat kris found for me after i complained about the lack of support in regards to the accomodation hunting process.

    5. Complaining and refund:

    I was lucky enough to find a much better internship placement with one of their competitors in a very good company in my field. I will not name their competitor in order not to sound as if i am advertising on their behalf.

    Once i informed Gi2c that i indeed found a much better placement. The first thing kris asked me was to send him the job description of my new internship so that he could look for the closest position possible in order for me not to leave gi2c. Which is a shame because i had been telling them what i wanted since August 2014 and it was already February 2015.

    6. The refund and the consequences:

    So after proving to Gi2c that they indeed did not provide me with the service they promise they would, i was given a refund of 5500 rmb the exact amount i asked to pay their competitorwho found me a much better internship. I thought i had lost my premium package privileges after a meeting with kris but there was a misunderstanding because after meeting again with kris and yuri i was told i could still attend the monthly events and could still ask for any guidance i would need regarding my visa etc.

    7. Conclusion:

    That being said an internship in China is really GREAT experience you just have to be extremly careful about the internship offer and not be shy to reject an offer if you do not fully feel comfortable with it. My experience with Gi2c was not good but they admitted their mistake and i think i could have had a better internship if i had been more careful with the position they offered me.

  2. At scam-detector.com there are three different threads about this company which has changed their name three times in the last six years. They were once called “Better Careers” and then became “Getin2China” and then after the police raided their office in 2013 they became Gi2C.org. A user named “Max” shows screenshots of complaints going back to 2010 and over 40 complaint links that some hacker corrupted so they will not open. http://scam-detector.com/forums/forum/employment-scams/366-gi2c-org-and-other-china-internship-scams-exposed-by-former-u-k-employee

    There are also five threads about this company at realscam.com including one about their many fake offices and the call center they use in Pakistan since 2013. http://www.realscam.com/f8/fake-phantom-felon-employees-gi2cs-china-internship-scam-6-invisible-offices-4057/

    But why pay ANY money for a China internship when you can get them for free with no strings attached? Look at this and SMILE! http://freechinainternships.blogspot.com

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